Posts by Pete Zahut

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The Myth About Jehovah as a "GOD of LOVE".

by smiddy3 in

i`ll list a few things and welcome any input, comments you may have .. 1.when adam & eve "sinned" disobeyed him, surely god could have handled it better than to condemn all future generations to disease and death ?.

2.his handling of satan who supposedly seduced eve to disobey god could also have been done a lot differently with a finality to it.. 3.i find little if anything in his dealings with the patriarchs that suggests a loving god protecting them.?.

4.taking on the nation of israel and leading them as his chosen people does not inspire confidence or trust as a god of love.. 5.throughout the hebrew scriptures / old testament his chosen people were constantly at war with other nations which of course would have meant many deaths of the israelite`s during these battles .and the grief that comes with family members in those times.

Pete Zahut

There are any number of individuals,groups,organizations and nations today who have convinced themselves that there is a God and that they are his chosen ones and that their every move is of significance to him and the universe.

I believe it was no different in “ bible times” and it’s writers were just as deluded about the existence of God and his supposed views on matters. This is evident from the fear based nonsensical tall tales and convoluted and unscientific explanations regarding the origins of the earth and mankind.

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Does God listen and answer prayers for coronavirus patients?

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

my cousin has been in a medically induced coma for the last three weeks due to the coronavirus.

we just found out today that he was sent to rehab for physical therapy.

he is awake, cannot walk, and cannot talk due to damage to his vocal cords from being on a ventilator for three weeks.. my cousin has many religious friends who have posted ''get well soon'' messages on his facebook page.

Pete Zahut

It's a heck of a deal for JW's....they get to have it both ways.

When the outcome of any adverse situation comes out well for a JW, Jehovah surely had a hand in it...he's a mighty and loving God who hears and answers prayers.

If things end badly for a JW, they say "Jehovah doesn't allow us to be tested beyond what we can bear" "time and unforeseen occurrences befall us all" "Jehovah is not slow respecting his promises and will soon resurrect those who died faithful to him".

It's a win win situation no matter what happens.

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Why do Jehovah`s Witnesses Shun fellow believers When God and Jesus never shunned even Satan ?

by smiddy3 in

scholars generally agree that it was written between the 7th and 4th centuries bce, with the 6th century bce as the most likely period for various reasons.

the book of job .. so according to jw`s about 6,000 years ago satan rebelled against jehovah god ,did jehovah disown him there and then shunning him ?.

apparently not as we can read from the book of job centuries later that satan could still come and go freely before the throne of jehovah in heaven .job 1: 6. and apparently he could still do this for centuries later ,that is coming to and fro before jehovah because according to the jw religion he wasn`t cast out of heaven for another 2,000 years until the 20th century .. now in the case of jesus much of what is said about jehovah and satan also applies to jesus before he came to earth.. but even when he was on earth he didn`t shun satan either in fact he allowed satan to lead him around according to the bible account.luke 4:13 so the devil having concluded all the temptations retired from him until another convenient time .so it wasn`t jesus calling the shots here it was satan .. mark 1: 13 he ,jesus, also shared 40 days in the wilderness with satan letting him tempt him .. so their was no way either jehovah or jesus ever shunned satan the devil according to the bible writings.. and when jesus ascended to heaven after his sacrifice he along with his father jehovah still had association with satan the devil until he was cast out of heaven 2,000 years later ,according to the jw`s..

Pete Zahut

Satan was never baptized so they don’t have to shun him.

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My sister just sent me this text.

by Brainfloss in

my sister sent me this text a few minutes ago.

what does she know about my relationship with jehovah?

it was followed up by a bunch of links to jw org problem is dialog is not possible her side is the only one to be heard.

Pete Zahut

Hello Sister,

Nice to hear from you again despite the many many Jehovah's Witness cliche's used to convey your assumptions regarding my standing with the creator of the universe. I'm not sure how any of us can know so much about what God does or doesn't want or what he's thinks of individuals but it's clear that you think that I'm a goner and you, as someone who has it made with God, are duty bound to punish me, in his name, if I don't become more like you.

Your text, rather than being a warm message from a sister to a brother, was as if you cut and pasted lines out of the Watchtower and was a reminder of why I chose to leave. I received your message of judgement loud and clear. Even though you are convinced that I'll receiving the same punishment as people like Adolph Hitler and other evil doers who have lived throughout history, I am confident that if God does have an earthly Paradise planned for us as you say or some other Utopia, there's no reason I shouldn't be a part of it and that I'll see you there as well.

I realize that you mean well and I also realize that even though you feel free to make assumptions about my standing with God, express your religious views with me and expect me to click on the links you've provided, I will never be allowed to express my views with you, nor would you look at any information I might provide for you .

I'm sure on some level you believe that you really do love me however I've come to realize, that your love is conditional upon me having the same religious views as you do and you are primarily interested in saving your own hide lest God punish you for having anything to do with your evil Brother . Despite your low opinion of me, I want you to know that my door is always open to you, no matter what your religious views are.

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Need help. Please and thank you.

by lastmanstanding in

i have a trove of old watchtower literature.

i know of course, and for example, to keep the three first volumes of the watchtower (bound) and a bunch of other items.

(and i handle them delicately.).

Pete Zahut

I understand people sell old literature on eBay. That might be an option rather than to throw them out. Or give them to someone who would be interested in selling them that way, if you're not.

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2540003.m570.l1312.R1.TR11.TRC2.A0.H0.Xjehovah.TRS1&_nkw=jehovahs+witnesses+books&_sacat=0

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Latest in JW land

by asp59 in

heard the lastest in jw land?

god commanded the org to sell buildings in new york cause corona virus was comming.

lots of jws see it as this is the true religion cause of that 🙃😊 ofcourse no one been mentioning why no warning before spanish flu 1918 or terrorism 9/11.

Pete Zahut

God must have led them to purchase a toxic chemical dump that had to be cleaned up before it could be used. He also kept his eyes closed while thousands of JW kids were being molested and later grew up to sue his organization.

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Reversed Shunning

by Difido in

i dont post really.

probably because i'm full of discord and shame about this religion.

i'm embarrassed, but working thru it.

Pete Zahut

My own Father and my Wife's Father, both died refusing blood. Her Father was a 40 something year old elder with 4 kids at home and mine was in his mid 60's, getting ready to retire in 2 months. He studied with JW's who encouraged him to sign the "no blood" paperwork when going in for a routine surgery. This is not a pretty way to die, let me tell you.

Recently, because of all the end of the system hype that's been going on, my Brother began making noises about not being able to associate with me anymore (even though I'm only "faded") Before he could say it outright, I stopped him. Referring to he and his wife, I said that I was having more and more difficulty wanting to be around anyone who could support an organization that virtually killed our father and made him suffer so badly. An organization that turned around a year of two after his death and made it OK to take blood fractions which most assuredly would have saved him. I asked him if he tells people at the door that he has a lovely daughter and 2 beautiful little granddaughters who ( according to his religion) are going to be killed by God in the near future simply because they aren't JW's. I asked if while standing by the literature cart with his nice clothes and colorful literature, if he mentions to anyone how our father died in a modern hospital because JW's convinced him that God doesn't like blood transfusions.

That shut him up pretty quick and he's rethought the whole "shun your own Brother" idea. JW's aren't used to not having the upper hand when it comes to shunning people. It never occurs to them that maybe someone doesn't approve of or want to associate with THEM.

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15 yrs ago Jehovah needed $50 million for new printing presses

by Hotpepper in

what happened to all those new printing presses?

the wt said they were going to double the amount of mag's every month.

i wonder what ever happened.

Pete Zahut

Wasn't there some problem with the presses shaking the factory buildings?

Seems to me they discovered once they were installed, they had to reinforce the buildings before they could use them,

Either way, I'm sure they'll say that they sold them for a huge profit now that the preaching work has been lovingly simplified.

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Covid-19 (Coronavirus) - Status Update Thread

by Simon in

jw
friends

this topic is to focus on status updates & advice (no opinion or politics please).. status.

latest status is that it's serious, probably isn't going to be contained and most large companies are making contingency plans, cancelling large events etc... which i don't think would happen if it was just people being alarmist.

the incubation period means it may have already spread further and infected many more people than are currently known, so expect jumps in the numbers over the coming days and weeks.. tracking.

Pete Zahut

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Experience given @ Phillipines Memorial Talk on JW.Org

by smiddy3 in

and i would like as many as possible to view it and comment on it as possible because i cant believe they are still pulling this shit and the rank & file are still lapping it up .?

in this year of 2020.. i`m sorry i do not have the nouse to make a link or attachment or whatever and hope someone can do so .. i know, i had doubts about looking at it also , its on jw.org ,whats new or something phillipines memorial and an experience was given their about a young pioneer girl that had eyesight problems and how she got her doctor and hundreds more to go on line to watch the special talk .

and they even went on to say they had 30,000 non jw`s log on to the special talk.?

Pete Zahut

I don't believe their statistics or their anecdotes anymore especially the ones from developing countries. Naturally the story was about a Doctor who coincidentally got "12" his friends to tune into the broadcast rather than being about the lowly person who empties the bed pans. Much more impressive that way.

If they were able to keep track of those who tuned in, it seems odd that they rounded the number off ( "over 31,000 attended") rather than giving the full number which would have been more impressive and would have been more credible.

Not buying it...I'll bet the Mormons have the same story.